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Post by cowgirl on Aug 18, 2012 3:43:08 GMT
I've always had questions about Harbinger. Mass effect 3 said he is apparently the oldest known Reaper and their leader, but I combed over ME2 and its DLCs with a fine brush in preparation for ME3 and I never ran into anything that said somthing like that. Yet I'm told to accept it during the third game, and he suddenly becomes the representative for the Reapers.What did i miss? Last I looked he was just the one in charge of the Collector operation, with no hint he was anything bigger.
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Post by Wolfrahm on Aug 18, 2012 9:29:50 GMT
I agree. It seems the Reapers are not united in thought and function, some of them have their own opinions. Sovereign disobeyed orders, Harbinger's "collector" operation was a failure. Apart from the fact that Harbinger is one of the elder Reapers, he is maybe the oldest and so he should not automatically be at the top of some hierarchy within the Reapers. Each of the Reapers are relatively unique and free of thought. It is possible that Harbinger and those other Reapers broke of from the main fleet, during the battle for Earth, out of their own opinion.
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Post by Shockmatter on Sept 1, 2012 21:38:24 GMT
The star-child did say Harbinger was the first Reaper created. But all of the Reapers, including Harbinger, obey the star-child. The Reapers' goal is to wipe out organic life, but there is no specific "programming" that tells them how to accomplish this. for past cycles they simply activated the Citadel Relay and flooded into the galaxy. They had to modify their plan since the Protheans cut off the Reapers connection to the Keepers, hence Sovereign staying behind and waiting for the right time to strike. Since he failed, the Reapers again had to modify their plans and began using the Collectors. Harby failed that time, but he was the first Reaper to acknowledge Shepard. They then thought "F*** it" and decided to all come at once through the Aplha Relay in the Batarian System. Shep comes and ****'s that up so they decide to hit Earth first deciding Humans to be the most cunning of this cycle. What I'm getting at is since there is no government among Reapers, They can pretty much do whatever they want as long as that ultimate goal is wiping out civilization, thus, obeying their primary objective.
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Post by Reaper_Armada on Sept 2, 2012 2:54:52 GMT
He is the Harbinger of this mods perfection. Thats all you need to know.
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Post by cowgirl on Oct 8, 2012 6:06:51 GMT
The star-child did say Harbinger was the first Reaper created. But all of the Reapers, including Harbinger, obey the star-child. The Reapers' goal is to wipe out organic life, but there is no specific "programming" that tells them how to accomplish this. for past cycles they simply activated the Citadel Relay and flooded into the galaxy. They had to modify their plan since the Protheans cut off the Reapers connection to the Keepers, hence Sovereign staying behind and waiting for the right time to strike. Since he failed, the Reapers again had to modify their plans and began using the Collectors. Harby failed that time, but he was the first Reaper to acknowledge Shepard. They then thought "F*** it" and decided to all come at once through the Alpha Relay in the Batarian System. Shep comes and ****'s that up so they decide to hit Earth first deciding Humans to be the most cunning of this cycle. What I'm getting at is since there is no government among Reapers, They can pretty much do whatever they want as long as that ultimate goal is wiping out civilization, thus, obeying their primary objective. I know whats said in the third game, but my issue was that we never had any indication, buildup, or reasoning for it until the very end. It's just a very abrupt assumption/statement by the Alliance since the start of ME3 that he was their leader. |
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Post by Shockmatter on Oct 10, 2012 19:05:32 GMT
We find out in ME2 that Sovereign was chosen to be the next vanguard. Chosen by whom? I respect your argument but I still believe Harby is the Reaper leader.
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Post by cowgirl on Oct 15, 2012 19:28:01 GMT
We find out in ME2 that Sovereign was chosen to be the next vanguard. Chosen by whom? I respect your argument but I still believe Harby is the Reaper leader. I'm not saying he isn't, I'm just very confused about why there was no explination and was a suddenly known thing in ME3 from the begining. |
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Post by alandrew456 on Oct 15, 2012 20:34:40 GMT
We find out in ME2 that Sovereign was chosen to be the next vanguard. Chosen by whom? I respect your argument but I still believe Harby is the Reaper leader. I'm not saying he isn't, I'm just very confused about why there was no explination and was a suddenly known thing in ME3 from the begining. ***** Spoiler Alert *********** Leviathan of Dis said that at the end of their species harvest a single reaper was created, Harbinger. Who was then proclaimed the leader of the reapers.. but still how would the rest of the galaxy know this ?? |
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Post by epelix on Oct 15, 2012 20:41:35 GMT
I'm not saying he isn't, I'm just very confused about why there was no explination and was a suddenly known thing in ME3 from the begining. Maybe beacuse he was unique and also he is pretty awesome when compared to anything official. |
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Post by whenix on Apr 6, 2013 21:54:25 GMT
Leviathan's are big, i assume many of them roam the many oceans in there time, why is it that only harby was created from there geneical material, harb is big, but not that mutch bigger than eny other reaper out there.... makes u wander, especialy when they asumed in mass 2 that millions of humans where neaded to create a human reaper.
comparing the size of a human to a Leviathan, i think abou (tens?) of thousands of humans fit in a single Leviathan (correct me if im wrong lol), that says, must we asume that only a couple of thousand Leviathan lived in there time?
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Post by Reaper_Armada on Apr 7, 2013 7:06:33 GMT
I thought that was very stupid as well. Bioware either got sloppy or wanted to create mystery.
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Post by alandrew456 on Apr 15, 2013 20:35:56 GMT
I thought that was very stupid as well. Bioware either got sloppy or wanted to create mystery. I personally would go with sloppy |
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Post by davenport94 on May 1, 2013 7:33:58 GMT
Well, if you think about it, in the ME universe humanity as well has expanded and counts at least 50 billion of individuals, even though in ME2 it seemed to me to have heard (collector ship mission) that the people of Earth (11 billion in the codex) only would be sufficient to build the reaper....what about the rest? The same as the leviathans....extermination (even though i agree creating a single reaper in the first cycle would be sloppy) was what'expected to happen.
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